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Elliott Shore Parks who should be in Green Bay right now. I should. I would be here today. I mean, I was driving in today and thinking last time we did this show, we were all sitting here just so confident they were going to beat the sea.

Hey, if it weren't for Geedeving Cloney, we would have been right or I'd be I'd be a fly to Green Bay tonight or possibly if if McCown's hamstring was not completely torn off his bone as we learned this week, which has been a.

I got to tell you guys it has been in enormous fire hose of information over the last four and a half days. Like I even forgot that there is potential. I was like, Oh, yeah, Jason Kelsey said he was going to talk and then you never did and then you kind of get scared that he might retire.

And we're learning today that Geedeving Cloney, as you said there and we've been talking about this all week is not going to get fined not going to get suspended really not going to be have anything done to him and meanwhile there's really random blind side blocks that are still getting fine to $28,000 for back.

I think that was from the Buffalo game that I just saw so I was there anything let me ask you James is there going to be anything that would have made any of us happy about the clowny thing because even if there's a fine or a flag or whatever I don't think we'll be happy about.

No, look of course I'm tired of one of those look even if they had flagged it in the moment like we would have been like good yeah, yeah, I got a flag but want to sell the game they still lose it doesn't change the outcome of the game.

It's more just a pound of flesh that is is just and right it's about being righteous and the right thing being done so I understand why you know most of us are upset about it still how we haven't gotten over it but no look I don't think he should have been fined.

I could argue should be suspended with that.

Absolutely but regardless at you know everyone feels differently about it but regardless I think just the fact that it's nothing just kind of just fuels the anger even more but ultimately look the fact that he got knocked out is the issue not the repercussions to clowny of that.

Yeah, it's just frustrating. I mean after the game we recorded our post game pod it just it sucks it really sucks that that's how that game ended up playing out.

I mean I was excited to see how Carson will play his first playoff game for better or worse I was just excited for that moment to finally get it after you know for full seasons and for the playoff that way really did suck in terms of him being fined I'm not surprised he wasn't find I think that the I don't want to say like he should have been flagged no question about it but I don't think it was a dirty hit I don't think it was a malicious hit.

Yeah, I just think it's part of the game and I think that when I talked to players in the goals locker room that was kind of their vibe on it as well like it really sucks at that happened it sucks Carson got hurt it should have been a flagged hit I don't think it was dirty so ultimately I'm not surprised he wasn't I think it was dirty but I mean teach their own yeah I don't know if dirty means intentional.

I thought Rodney McLeod was not going to clap but it really well on the midday show Monday he said he thought clonnie was trying to send a message not that he was trying to hurt one train like that but he was trying to send a message and he knew what he was that's that implies to me intent and if there's any sort of intent there I just that's dirty football to me the way the game is now like even forgetting the quarterback part of it or whatever just like you guys are out there playing this this sport where we're talking about with concussions and all that like real long term light

ramifications it's the kind of stuff where this sport is already dangerous enough there are already enough opportunities for these guys to heads to get banged into oblivion like you don't need to go the extra mile for that that's the way I guess what I'm saying is I don't think he went the extra mile disagree on yeah we disagree on that yeah yeah

yeah it still be friends off you want the man I'm thinking about it save that for the break and okay yeah friends are friends are still out yeah and then you know we went from

kind of everything everything sucking in that moment and what is this reflecting on the season I thought everybody was feeling pretty good for the most part but I think this the past two press conferences and then along with the angel of cattali you know chatting with Doug Peterson earlier this week there's now this opened Pandora's box is like he's just a lawyer to involved here and is this the direction that the ego should be going in the off season

a lot of chatter all about that and I honestly don't think this is anything different than what we've seen out of any other different NFL owner so however it goes down and you guys have had the theory for a very long time and it still holds true that Doug really can't tell a lie and I don't think he lied at the press conference I just think he blurted it out understood and somebody got his ear backtracked at the end and then you know he meets with Jeffrey Lauren then everyone jumps to conclusions oh wow Doug Peterson doesn't even have control of his own

staff and Jeffrey Lori's the judge and jury and all this and on and on here but I don't have an issue if one to what extent Jeffrey Lori is actually involved in day to day process is here like I don't think you should be a part of the front office and being a part of the scouting department hanging out but if you don't want your owner making executive decisions I think we have a warped reality of what sports actually are because there isn't one owner in sports right now that isn't involved in the game

and if an owner feels like he needs to get rid of the two offensive guys that are trying to help you go in a playoff game to create the new norm make sure your franchise quarterback continues on to this MVP level that they all expect then you've got to make that executive decision and you've got to override the coach and you've got to override everybody else you're you are the true buck that's the I completely disagree I mean Doug Peterson of Jeffrey Lori how you roseman Doug Peterson who do you trust the most to make a decision about the football staff

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