So the gloves are off and it's a fight for the soul of our country, says Kirstama.

So how is he planning to win it?

I'm Hannah White and this is Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute for Government,

which we are recording in Liverpool just minutes after the Prime Minister has finished his speech to the Labour Party Conference.

The main auditorium is still emptying and the IFG duo of Kath Haddon and Alex Thomas have just hot-footed it back to a hotel lobby just outside the conference centre,

as has today's guest,

Sophie Stowers, Research Manager at More in Common. Hello, everyone. Hi, Anna. Hi. Hello. Hello.

You all caught your breath? Yeah, I mean, cross the main road. I managed to do that.

Well, let's start up by getting your instant verdicts on the speech.

Sophie, what did you make of it?

I mean, I thought what was really interesting was I think that speech was probably confirmation

that Labour's approached as we go towards the next election.

And I know that's crazy to say because we've like literally just had one.

It feels like yesterday is presenting itself in a kind of like French style contest,

I think, because it's kind of like Labor versus Reform, democracy versus kind of radical

takeover. And you can see that by the fact how much more direct, I think, Starm has been in

his language, outright calling reform, although they didn't actually really mention reform that

much specifically, but we know who they're talking about racist. So I think it's interesting

that, that is the strategy he's gone for. And I think the other thing that I sort of caught

was that even though there was a lot of red meat, literally, for Labour voters in the room,

Labour members in the room, you know, a lot of stuff

on NHS spending, for example, tackling inequality, child poverty. There wasn't a ton specifically

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