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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C., and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to DSR. I'm David Rothkopf, and this week is every week. We're going to try to take a deep dive into an issue going on somewhere in the world that's relevant to you. And we're

going to do it with our regulars and some experts. And we'll today have with us, of course,

Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center. How are you doing, Rosa?

I'm good. Hi, David. Where are you, Rosa? Well, I'm in Wyoming in my bunker.

In your silo in Wyoming. And we are also joined by another friend of ours, Ambassador Bill Taylor.

He's a distinguished fellow at the Atlantic Council's Eurasia Center from 2006 to 2009. He served as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine and as the

Sharj de Fair ad interim from 2019 to 2020 at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev. I know you're in California.

How are you doing today, Bill?

Thank you, David. It's good to be here.

Yeah, so, you know, we thought, you know, Ukraine has remained a big story for a long time.

And you could read about it every day in the newspaper or at the website of your choice

and still have no idea what's going on

because it is so complicated right now.

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