From the ACLU, this is at Liberty.

I'm Kendall Seasmeyer, your host.

The holiday season is upon us.

And this week, we are revisiting our conversation with author and activist Glennon Doyle.

In this conversation, Glennon and I talk about how to bring our loved ones into understanding of equity and justice

through the use of storytelling, imagination, and conversation.

It's an episode, Fit First, Such a time as this, and we hope you enjoy.

The holidays can be a challenging time for many. One of the reasons for the extra anxiety we may

feel is due to the kinds of conversations and, dare I say, conflict that can come up when we are sharing a meal

with loved ones. Our guest today, Glennon Doyle, knows a thing or two about difficult

truth-telling, about creating understanding and about moving people along in their evolution

of love and justice for all. On this podcast, we learn a lot about history, about civil rights

issues, and about how we can use the law to move the needle. So on this episode, we're going to

spend some time talking about how we can best share that knowledge with other people. The folks

who may not be as tuned into these conversations or even as impacted by them as we are.

Glennon Doyle is the number one New York Times bestselling author of Unteemed, Love Warrior and Carry On Warrior.

She's also the founder and president of Together Rising, a nonprofit organization that has raised over $45 million for women, families, and children in crisis.

She joins us today to break down how we can better love and lead people, to care about the

rights and liberties of those most marginalized.

Glennon, thank you so much for joining me.

Well, as you know, I am so excited to be here.

ACLU is my group of heroes.

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