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Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Frances Foster. I'm Constantine Kissen.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest today is a professor at Brown University who became the first black tenured

professor at Harvard at the age of 33. Glenn Larry, welcome to Trigonometry.

Oh, thank you, Constantine. It's great to have you on the show. Listen, our American fans will be

very well aware of who you are. But for anyone else in the world who watches our show, who is not

familiar with your career and your story. Tell everybody, who are you? How are you where you are?

What has been the journey that leads you to here sitting with us chatting about some of the things

we'll be talking about? I could go on about that for a long time and I know that you have his mind.

Well, first of all, let me correct you. I was the first black tenured professor of economics

at Harvard University. Yes. I was born in Chicago in 1948, grew up in a working class family,

went to public schools, became a father very young at the age of 18, dropped out of college and

went to work, eventually found my way back to the university part time at first and then full time

with a full-time job long story. But graduated Northwestern University in 1972 with a degree in

mathematics and studied economics at MIT in the early 1970s where I took my PhD in 1976.

I started my career as a technical economist writing math papers but evolved into a politically

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