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And I said what has been proceeding there in Gaza is a collective punishment that I don't

think is justified. And I got notified the next day the Manhattan

Institute was discontinuing its relationship with me as a senior fellow. If you'd said that about the

United States, would you have gotten the same reaction? Ah, big question. Do you think you've been

bamboozled? Are we really going to go to war with Iran and turn the world economy upside down? Is it really

Jim Crowe 2.0 if they want to ask for a driver's license before you cast a ballot in Georgia?

I watched a couple of Malcolm X speeches and it was like a totally different person from the one

I was presented in high school. And I was like, well, why isn't this guy much more famous than he is now? One of the

speeches, he goes off after white liberals. And he's like, you know, whites are bad, whites are a problem.

But the real problem is white liberals. I was like, you go Malcolm X. It almost feels like his

message has been suppressed a little bit, maybe.

Yeah. Thank you, Professor, for coming.

So you just, you told me last I entered that you just, after about 50 years, taught your last course of Brown, you just left Brown.

Big picture question first.

You've taught for so long.

How has it changed?

You've taught it, you know, the most prestigious universities in the world.

How have the schools changed, how have the students changed, do you leave more hopeful or more

concerned?

Big question.

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