Dave, I'm really glad to see you. I know you've been here before. But it's nice to have you back.

I am an expert in all things Tucker Carlson. So I know you've been asked this a million times, but I'm coming to this late. How do you assess the debate that you have with Douglas Murray?

Now, there's been a month.

How long's it been?

Something like that.

Something like a month, right?

Yep, a few weeks.

Looking back, what was that? It's an interesting question.

I mean, I think essentially it was what everyone saw.

It was, it's like my first impression of it.

My impression during it, during the first half hour of the debate, I was like, well,

Douglas just embarrassed himself in front of the world.

You felt that in real time.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, it was, you know, look, he was ridiculous.

And it was, it was kind of strange to witness as it was happening.

I go, so you decided to open the debate by just chastising everyone as not being as good as you, that the expert class ought to be the ones consulted, that you...

I mean, you know, you could argue what he exactly he was saying, but he was clearly saying that you, you guys on podcasts are simply not qualified to talk about these subjects.

Now, you're saying this on the Joe Rogan experience.

Of all places to go and deliver this message, this is the place guaranteed to turn the entire audience against you.

And of course, I just think that I I think it's a, it's a ridiculous

non-argument that never would have made sense. But coming off of the COVID years,

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