Glenn Loury On Being A Minority Within A Minority

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Andrew Sullivan

Politics, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.6 • 836 Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2023

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

Glenn is an academic and writer. At the age of 33, he became the first African-American professor of economics at Harvard to get tenure, and he’s currently the Merton P. Stoltz Professor of Economics at Brown University, as well as a Paulson Fellow at the Manhattan Institute. His longtime podcast, The Glenn Show, is now on Substack, where he regularly appears with John McWhorter. He’s currently writing a memoir of his incredibly colorful life, The Enemy Within, which we talk about at length.

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Other topics: Glenn’s upbringing on the South Side, his forebears’ migration from the segregated South, his parents dealing with him as a prodigy, dropping out of college with a newborn, rebounding to MIT and Harvard, being ostracized by the black cognoscenti, his drug addiction, his conversion to Christianity, his loss of faith, falling out with the neocon right, the racial wealth gap, and affirmative action.

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0:00.0	Thank you.
0:03.0	I'm going to Hi there, guys, and welcome back to the dishcast.
0:30.9	Today we have somebody I've admired for most of my adult life and have identified with in some ways, although I'm not
0:39.4	of his intellectual caliber. He is Glenn Lowry, and he's an economist academic and writer,
0:46.7	now extremely well known and discussed and debated online. At the age of 33, he became the first
0:53.8	African-American professor of economics at Harvard
0:55.8	to get tenure. He's currently the Merchant P. Stoltz Professor of Economics at Brown,
1:01.5	as well as a Paulson fellow at the Manhattan Institute. He's written for many, many publications
1:05.9	over the years, including the Republic, including for me back in the day, the public interest, and his
1:11.5	long-time podcast, The Glenn Show, is now on Substack, where he regularly appears with John
1:17.9	McWhorter. And I've listened to him and John talk for years now, and I've always learned
1:25.2	something from it. And when Glenn is in full rant mode,
1:29.0	I just want to sit back. I was just telling him, and have a bubble bath and just enjoy the sheer
1:35.7	gruelan's ranting that he does. He's also writing, and I'm trying to finish actually now,
1:42.1	a memoir, The Enemy Within, a very provocative title,
1:45.7	but a very complicated and interesting life.
1:48.9	Glenn, it's an honor to have you on the Dishcast.
1:51.7	Thanks for coming.
1:53.3	Thank you, Andrew.
1:54.3	Good to be with you.
1:56.2	I want to talk to you, first of all, about exactly what you're writing about, which is a memoir,
2:02.7	which is how you came to be who you are, and the interactions you've had as an intellectual
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