From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment, the home edition. I'm Elvis Mitchell. A question for you. Were you wondering what Glenn Kenney's been doing for the past 31 years?

Well, one of them has been putting together his new book, terrific new book, Made Men, the Story of Goodfellas,

which begins in December of 1989 with a conversation with Martin Scorsese,

and the book dovetails to March of this year with another conversation with Martin Scorsese.

And what we're going on in between these two things is the making good fellows.

First of all, let me welcome our friend Glenn Kennedy.

Thanks so much you're doing the show, Glenn, by the way. Thank you.

It is truly my pleasure. It's always great to speak with you.

And with you. And it's fascinating the book because it really is about

lives lived. And I was struck by something in the book that Scores says he said that really

made me rethink the movie, which is, he says, in a way, it's the most like television I've

ever done. That's what, one of the things that interested me when I met him in 1989,

when he talked about tabloid TV and how it was influencing this movie that he was at the time editing with Thelma Schoonmacher, and I thought to myself, well, how could that be?

I understood it a little better when he talked about the untouchables, the television show with Robert Stack,

that at least had some sort of aesthetic connection to some of the things Scorsese had been doing and also to his own taste. He loves those hard-boiled directors like Samuel Fuller,

guys who did B-movies in the 50s who also directed television in that period.

There was a lot of give and take back and forth.

So that made sense to me.

But tabloid television made no sense to me.

And yet when I saw the film, there it was.

But it was also at the same time as it was tabloid television.

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