And there's nothing going on to that.

And there's nothing going on tonight.

And we could be in the city light.

Oh, maybe it just came up against it. Good afternoon Michael Malice here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour.

This is probably the guest I have been most excited about from 2020. legendary journalist, co-founder, and just recently left the

intercept.

He broke the Edward Stoden story.

A real role model, Glenn Greenwald, who is currently in Brazil, I have a lot to talk to you about because you have been such an important figure in terms of moving international culture and I don't think that there's anyone out there who has done a better job of keeping or trying to keep journalism honest and trying to keep it dedicated to its committed mission.

One of the issues I have is historically

leftist and you always identify as being on the left have been very skeptical of

corporate power but it seems that when it's corporate journalism that goes out the window.

Can you talk a bit about that?

Sure, I think there is a clear transformation of values on the left and not for the better over the last say two to three decades.

Part of what attracted me to the left in the first place was exactly that skepticism.

Not just toward corporate power, but also to government power. that agencies, it's always been based on this view that if power centers accumulate too much power,

inevitably they're going to abuse it at the expense of the individual.

And what you see is this increasing willingness on the part of the American

left specifically, but I would say the Western left generally, to abandon that skepticism

of corporate actors and start to believe that for some reason they can be induced to act in the interests of the marginalized or leftling agenda as long as they're vested with enough confidence, trust, and particularly power and so you see things like people believing that Google and Facebook and Twitter, which until that or

that somehow they're going to censor and regulate our discourse

benevolently and with the best of intentions.

You see it as well with the liberal left's willingness to get behind the CIA and the intelligence

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