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Today's guest is Maverick journalist Glenn Greenwald, whose work publicizing

Edward Snowden's revelations of ubiquitous and illegal surveillance of Americans helped the Guardian

win a Pulitzer Prize. Greenwald now hosts the nightly new show System Update on Rumble,

and he maintains an act of presence on X. We talked about the failing fortunes of the Intercept, the investigative website he co-founded

in 2014 and had an acrimonious break with in 2020.

The Israel Gaza War, student protests on campuses, legacy media's obsession with misinformation, and whether a victory by

Joe Biden or Donald Trump would be worse for America and the world. This interview was conducted

before a live audience in New York City, a day after Greenwald debated Alan Dershowitz at the Soho Forum about whether

the United States should attack Iran's nuclear program.

Here is the Reason interview with Glenn Greenwald.

So, Glenn, thanks for talking to reason.

I guess out of the box, let me ask you, how good does it make you feel to read stories about the intercept going out of business?

I try very unsuccessfully to hide my glee over those stories. First of all, thank you for inviting me and for having this event. I feel like I've ever since the beginning of my

career in journalism, I've ended up talking to you once every two to three years. And I used to

resist it. I used to try and hide from you. And you were very persistent. And then at some point,

I was like, let me just stop resisting and accept it. It's just part of my life for whatever reason.

So I'm glad to be with you. You sound a lot like my fiancé, right?

She and I should talk.

But yeah, so I, you know, I did have, I mean, when I created The Intercept, it was at the height

of the Snowden story.

We had the biggest story in the world, myself and Laura Poitras.

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