Bobby Robinson, just like the people in Atlanta, ripped them off.

So even though they got a chance to do the Apollo, they had the Hotel Teresa, all that stuff, when it came to money, they would say the royalties, well, you know, those suits you have on and those hotels and stuff.

So they didn't get paid, but they're supposed to get paid.

Gladys never wanted to go to Motam.

Oh, really?

But they did everything as a group, the four of them. They voted so the best votes win.

She thought that she would get lost. You had the Supremes, the Marvellettes, the Chorales, all the female groups. So she thought that she was going to get lost in the sauce. So I did that. And I also

worked for Metro Media, Channel 5. They had black news there. So I had two different internships going.

Again, I was sort of crazy with a lot of energy

and I was doing a lot of things.

And I tell people, back in those days,

I couldn't even touch a camera, you know, all the union rules.

What was it that made you decide to take the step to do this?

And what's the single most important thing you learned writing the book?

Well, you know, I'm a journalist, so I've written academic books. I've written over, you know, 50 or 60 articles published. So, you know, it's a process for me.

This was different, though, right?

It was different. Yeah, it was more. And what made it even challenging because it was family.

Yeah.

You know, I had to get it right.

Your heart. Did you know there's a technology that's actually an app on your phone that uses sound

waves to tell your brain what you want your brain to do?

We had a young man that was a guest on our podcast, the Michael Lidding experience, who had

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