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Gizmos and Gadgets—the World of Spycraft

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Education, News, History

4.41.7K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2008

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Peter interviews Robert Wallace, director of the CIA’s Office of Technical Services (OTS, the department in charge of “gadgetry”) from 1998 to 2002. Bob explains some of his favorite devices, such as the T-100 subminiature camera, and compares OTS’ performance to that of its adversaries. He also reviews the role of OTS in some high-profile spy cases and discusses the capabilities and limitations of technical support in intelligence operations.

Transcript

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0:00.0

You're listening to the CyberWire Network, powered by N2K. Hello and welcome to Spycast from the Secret Files of the International Spy Museum in Washington, D.C.

0:21.0

I'm Peter Ernest, the Executive Director of the Museum. I served for some

0:25.8

36 years in the Central Intelligence Agency, largely as what is called an operations officer

0:31.4

or a case officer.

0:33.0

Every month will be bringing you interesting talks with visitors,

0:36.5

with authors, with others who have something to do

0:39.4

with the world of intelligence and Espionage.

0:45.2

My guest today is Bob Wallace.

0:47.4

Bob Wallace was a senior CIA officer at the time of his retirement, who had a varied background.

0:53.2

He had been involved in both operations, as an operations officer.

0:58.4

He had run at a variety of senior management jobs, but perhaps his most intriguing job, and that will be the subject today, was

1:06.1

the period of time that he served as the Director of the Office of Technical Services

1:10.8

in CIA.

1:12.3

He was in effect, as James Bond Fans would say, Q. He didn't personally

1:18.9

do that stuff in the lab, though he may have done some of it, but he oversaw the staff that did do it, directed them, and

1:26.5

perhaps one of his outstanding features as the manager was his insistence on the technical people working side by side along with the operations officers.

1:37.0

He and Keith Melton, a renowned historian on intelligence matters, have just published a book called

1:44.8

Spycraft. It's put out by Dutton and it's Spycraft the secret history of the

1:50.7

CIA's spy text from communism to al-Qaeda. It is a remarkable

1:56.4

book for the detail it gives on agency, the people in the agency, and a number of

2:07.7

sensational, I'll use that word, operations that OTS was involved in throughout the years.

2:08.7

Bob welcome.

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