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Wonder Cabinet

Giving Up

Wonder Cabinet

Wonder Cabinet Productions

Society & Culture, Wonder, Philosophy, Ttbook, Knowledge, Interview

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 13 September 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

We get the message before we’re out of training pants – when the going gets tough, look on the bright side, make lemonade out of lemons and just do it. We’re going to consider the exact opposite – the wisdom of giving up and letting go. Because sometimes, the strongest and most courageous thing you can do is walk away. 

Original Air Date: April 27, 2024

Interviews In This Hour:
The boundary-breaking power of fastingHow do we know when to call it quits?Escaping the tyranny of certainty

Guests:
John Oakes, Adam Phillips, Maggie Jackson


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0:00.0

Hey friends, it's Anne.

0:06.0

Find something deep down inside to be better at any cost.

0:12.0

America is famously a nation of strivers.

0:15.0

It's that fire that burns a such.

0:17.0

We get the message before we're out of training pants.

0:20.0

Become an iron man.

0:21.1

Make you proud.

0:22.3

When the going gets tough, look on the bright side.

0:25.2

Make lemonade out of lemons.

0:27.0

Strap on your big girl shoes and just do it.

0:30.3

Nobody will ever work as hard as out.

0:33.3

What a bunch of try-hards.

0:36.5

Today, on to the best of our knowledge, we're going to consider the exact opposite.

0:41.0

The wisdom of giving up and letting go is sometimes the strongest and most courageous thing you can do is walk away.

0:49.1

This hour, we'll talk about how.

0:56.0

From WPR.

1:00.9

It's to the best of our knowledge.

1:02.6

I'm Anne Strange Champs.

1:07.4

When was the last time you gave up on something?

1:13.9

Or gave something up? Maybe something big, like a job, or a small, like dinner.

1:23.0

Can you tell me about the first time that you had fasted and what that experience was like?

1:28.3

So I was a young man. It was a lifetime ago. I'm a New York City Jew, and I grew up with the concept of Yom Kippur, and among Jews you're not supposed to eat from sun up to sundown,

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