Hello and welcome back to Talking Giants presented by Seek. Today is October 3rd, 2025, and our New York

Football Giants are taking on the 0 and 4 New Orleans Saints. Sean, I'm going to go on a little bit of a

rant to start. All right. Let Justin Cook.

This is a non-mathematical must-win, what we call a non-mathematical must-win.

Can I stop you for a second?

Yes.

There's an easier way to do this.

You could call it a non-mathical mathematical must win in my world.

There's must wins. There's can't lose, and there's got to have it. So if it's a non-mathematical must win, it's either a can't lose or it's a got to have it. They got to have it. Okay. It's a got to have it game. They got to have it. You go more distinct there, you know, Justin? Well, you know, I like my Coltsone Creamery draft scale.

Oh, yes, you do.

Like it, Love, it got to have it.

Sean, they cannot lose this game.

Every single good thing that you established that you got last week

will be eliminated and thrown out the window if you cannot beat Spencer Rattler,

the Owen 4 New Orleans Saints, and Brandon Staley as their defensive coordinator. Every single

thing. I am not, I am not usually the type of person, never the type of person to come on a show and call for somebody's job, especially when it's October, because it's not worth it.

But if they lose this game, Sean, on Sunday, which they won't, which they won't, there will be part of me that will not want Brian able to even get back on that plane. They should not lose this game. They should not lose this game. They cannot lose this game. They got to have it, Sean. How are you doing? I'm doing well. I tend to agree that they got to have it, but I'd be lying to you, Justin. And we're going to go over all the matchup stuff here in the next 40 minutes. If I didn't tell you, I was extremely nervous for this game. For number one, I, I'm totally with you if Malik Neighbors is playing in this game. And obviously we have the official news now that he is torn his ACL and even what, some MCL or MNiscis was in there as well, and he's out for the season. It makes me extremely nervous because I think we tend to forget how God awful it is getting the ball around to people, not name Malik neighbors, but I go back to a game with Daniel Jones a year ago around this time and they beat the Seattle Seahawks without Malik neighbors. So is that really an excuse? I don't know. This is the kind of devil and

angel stuff on the shoulder I've had. But for the most part, I'm with you, right? But here's the

catch 22. If we were doing talking saints down in Louisiana right now, then they started their

show. What would they be saying about the one and three giants and a rookie quarterback coming into their building, which has been a house of horrors outside of that Daniel Jones, Debrill Pepper's overtime game? They'd be saying, this is a got to have it. I don't even know if Kellan Moore survives year one if we lose to the New York freaking giants at home. So one win feels good. The Jackson Dart era feels good. Defense is cooking. but I think we need to remember, Justin, that other bad teams are looking at the Giants on the schedule, kind of extra prepped up and geared up going, this is the game we have to have if we're going to win one. And I agree with you. I 100% agree with you. And that's the logical take and that's the reasonable take. I am not, I am not logical and reasonable

this weekend. That's fair. Again, you are playing Spencer Rattler. You are playing Spencer Rattler.

You are playing Brandon Staley as a defensive coordinator, who a defensive coach who has had

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