I'll give you a name, you tell me, yay, nay, or I need to know more.

We'll react.

Mike McCarthy. Whatever. I can't believe you give him that. He's just a whatever to me. He's a what? He's just a jag? No, he's not. He's a really good coach. He just doesn't move me. Does he move you, Sean? Mike McCarthy. You know what he is? he's Tom Thibbido.

Well, that's pretty good.

He's the Thibodeau.

Well, that's pretty good.

He's the classic example of somebody I'll talk myself into, but in the initial, like, announcement would not be excited whatsoever. Hold on one second. Before we continue. Right. Now, if he brings one of the greatest

Offensive Coordinators and football,

young, up and coming, somewhere

adjacent to Kyle Shanahan

or Sean McVay and we're like, wow, that guy? That's awesome. Good job. And then if he brings a defensive coordinator that is just one of the best, Brian Flores, probably not going to work here, but someone like that, he's free, his contract is up in Minnesota. He is, and he's not coming here. Don't worry. Of course he's not. But just say someone like that. Right he's a free his contract is up in minnesota he is and he's not coming here don't worry course he's not but just say someone like that

right you're like wow that guy yeah yeah then i'd be great but if you're going to be

hey uh we're gonna try uh matt ebra frouf's uh as uh as your defensive coordinator i'm gonna run

for the hills may have to save this for the first ever tika rowe, sir, debate series, but what you said about Tom Thibbado was incredibly disrespectful. I mean, honestly, if the Knicks won an NBA championship, which is on the table, I would argue that they should build a statue for Tom Fibito. I mean, he made that big of an impact on the Knicks' franchise. Really? Oh, absolutely. I mean, I don't disagree that he was exactly what they needed. So then their team right. Putting down Mike McCarthy by simply saying, well, he's Tom. Well, here's my reasoning. I'm tired of like, hey, we're going to build and grow. Sean had this conversation last week. And it's going to, you know, we're going to draft well and get our franchise quarterback. And we're going to, you know, in two, two, three years, we're going to have a team that's just good enough. And then maybe we get lucky with the right free agent. And in six years, we're going to compete for a Super Bowl. That's what most teams do. That's what most fan bases want. And they're like, oh, yeah, we got, it wasn't the Super Bowl year, but hell, we got better.

Why not be like the Rams?

Why not just try to win the damn thing every year?

Why not?

Why can't you do that?

And so I've changed my mindset to, from, yeah, let's get somebody to get us right, and then we'll find the next coach. Find the damn coach now. Find the right guy now. And when you find that right guy, you know it. You just feel it. And when you're saying is Mike is not that guy. And it shows itself. Mike's been around for 25 years, dude. He won a Super Bowl? That was in 2018? No, it was longer than that. I mean, 2008. 2010, 2010, whatever it was. So, I get it. The game is different, man. I know what Mike McCarthy did in Dallas. We saw it. We're changing. We're going to modernize our offense. He didn't modernize Jack. He just kept doing the same stuff over and over and over and over. And he's a good coach, so they won games. Okay. So, like, I don't want that. He doesn't want that. I want to try to win a Super Bowl. That's very compelling. I disagree with you, but that you've made, like, a very passionate, compelling case against Mike McCarthy. Dude, mortgage's the future for all I care. Get to and win a Super Bowl.

Well, no, that part I agree with. I guess the part I would disagree with is that Mike can't do that. Like, that's the part I disagree with it. And I think that eventually, especially in the NFL, and I give Sean credit, because he said this to me a lot when the Jets brought in Aaron Rogers. He's like, dude, teams don't normally go from being crappy to just boom winning the Super Bowl.

Usually there's a process. There's step ladders you got to take. And I think that the first step the Giants you take is winning 10 or 11 games and making the playoffs. And then eventually, yeah, you got to win. I agree. They don't want to sit around for six years talking about not winning a damn thing. I guess I disagree that Mike can't be that guy. Yeah, that's where, I think that's the biggest conundrum because to me, why not hire the guy you think

a common six years talking about not winning a damn thing. I guess I disagree that Mike can't be that guy.

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