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From the Brains Behind BrainsOn, it's Smash Boom Best. The show for people with big opinions.

Hi, I'm Molly Bloom and this is Smash Boom Best. The show where we take two things,

smash them together and ask you to decide which one is best. Today's frightful free for all is

sure to scare your pants off. It's a duel between phantoms and the living dead. It's ghosts versus

zombies. Who will win? Ghoulish Ghosts or Zella Zombies? There's no telling in this unbelievable

battle, but we've got Ava from Chicago, Illinois here to help us decide. Hi, Ava. Hi.

So Ava, do you like scary things like ghosts and zombies? Yes, I love scary things like ghosts

and zombies. I like reading books and movies and hearing stories about it. I love everything about

it. And Ava, you do debate. So I'd like to know what you look for in an argument.

I'm a huge fan of statistics and I really like to be told a story. So if you can tell me a story,

then I will be able to, you know, put my judgment in and maybe vote for you. I'm guessing Ghosts and

zombies will be heavier on the story side than the statistics side, but we know, you know, you never

know. Well, let's meet our debaters here to defend those supernatural spirits we call ghosts.

It's comedian and host of Forever Go, Joy Dolo. Hi, Joy. Hi, Molly. I hurt my finger. Now I have a

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