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The night may be long and the dark may be deep, but the answers are there to be found. Whether it's the normal,

the abnormal, or the paranormal, you're in the right place. Let's go beyond reality.

Sometimes it's the normal, sometimes it's the abnormal, and sometimes it's the paranormal,

but it's always beyond reality. Welcome to the program. It's the countdown to Scarecon program.

ScaraCon coming up, October 18th through the 20th in Rochester, New York. Check out the details at

Scaracon.com. But we've got a great show for you tonight. We're going to be talking about some of our

favorite topics. And in fact to be talking about some of our favorite topics.

And in fact, our first topic kind of combines a bunch of different interests for me, anyway.

It's Brian Clune and Bob Davis will be with us all night. And we'll be talking about a couple of their books, including their new book called Ghosts and Legends of Alcatraz.

Now, obviously, I'm interested in ghosts. I'm interested in legends, and I'm also very interested in Alcatraz.

It's just such an interesting place with an amazing history. And, you know, we all have a bit of a fascination with true crime these

days. I spend many, many nights watching things like forensic files or cold case files,

you know, watched all the true crime stuff on Netflix. I really enjoy that. And part of the

true crime stuff is prison escapes. And there's some pretty interesting stories about escapes from Alcatraz, which we'll get into with Brian and Bob.

And then in the later part of the discussion tonight with those two are guests.

We'll talk about Frank Sumption.

Frank was a paranormal enthusiast and an inventor.

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