Ghost Ships and Geopolitics, with Ian Urbina and Ros Urwin

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🗓️ 18 August 2020

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Ian Urbina, investigative reporter of The New York Times for 17 years returns to the podcast to discuss a new investigation, which he believes to uncover the largest known case of illegal fishing perpetrated by a single industrial fleet operating in another nation’s waters (a Chinese fleet of squid boats fishing in North Korean waters in violation of UN sanctions). He spoke to Rosamund Urwin about the case and why dead North Koreans were washing up on the shores of Japan. They also discussed the wider themes of Ian's book The Outlaw Ocean which you can find out more about here: https://www.theoutlawocean.com/ Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/intelligencesquared. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:45.8	minds. Now to this week's episode I'm delighted to say that this week we have
0:49.5	returning guest Ian Urbina. Many of you might remember that Ian came on the podcast last year to discuss his
0:55.2	book The Outlaw Ocean, in which he investigated the lawless frontiers of the world's ocean.
1:00.3	Well, about a month ago, Ian reached out to us about a new investigation he was working on,
1:05.1	uncovering the largest known case of illegal fishing by one country in another's waters.
1:10.6	Yes, Chinese squid boats in North Korean waters in violation of UN sanctions.
1:15.6	It's a really important conversation and deals with issues such as why dead North Koreans
1:20.1	were washing up on the shores of Japan as well as why Kalamari's squid have suddenly vanished from the waters of Japan, Russia and Korea.
1:27.6	And Ian spoke to Rosamond Irwin about what he discovered and why it matters.
1:32.3	Hello, I'm Rosamond Irwin, a journalist at the Sunday Times,
1:35.8	and I'm here with Ian Urbina, the renowned investigative reporter.
1:39.7	Welcome Ian.
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