This is a Voyescape podcast. You can find all of our travel podcasts from around the world at

voyescape.com. Today's main event, getting started with points and miles. Frequent

miler on the air starts now. Winning the points in Miles game does not have to be hard.

Do you ever like start with a complicated board game and it just seems overwhelming when you first unbox the thing and there's like a million instructions and you have no idea where to start?

I feel like the Points in Miles game is a lot like that.

But the difference here is when you win, you get incredible rewards. You get to fly around the world. You get to stay in amazing places. And the other thing that's different is there's not just one winner. Like everyone who plays the game right or even like reasonably well can be a winner in this particular game. But I get it. If you're just starting out, you have no idea where to start. That's what we're going to try to provide in today's main event. That's such a good analogy. You know, like we've actually been saying lately my wife and I've been saying we've just entered our games era with the kids. Our kids are pretty young, but they're just starting now to enjoy games. So we've been learning different card games and we've been playing board games, like Clue. And there's a bunch of cool kids games out now. If you've got young kids, you know what I'm talking about with like taco cat, goat cheese, pizza or whatever it is. There's all these like fun games. But my least favorite part is listening to my wife,

read the... Like, we sit down to play it, and she starts reading the instructions, and I just totally zone out. And half the time, she's like, and you're not even listening, are you? And I'm like, not really. Let's just start playing and tell me what I have to do, because I can't stand that part. And so I totally empathize the people out there who are like, wow, this is crazy. Because as soon as we start talking about stuff, I know some people's eyes glaze over and they're like, this is too complicated. And I think that was a perfect example. It doesn't have to be anybody can learn how to play a game, right? You just need to start playing it. And that's exactly, you know, what the secret is here. You just have to start playing it and don't play to win the first time just play to have fun and learn the game and you'll win in the long run don't worry but don't forget wherever you're listening to this or watching don't forget to like this give us a thumbs up leave us some feedback and remember if you want to come back to something and listen to it again later you can always go toamps, expand the show description, and we always have the timestamps there.

Let's drag out this week's giant mail bag.

Today's giant mail comes from Tyler.

Tyler says, in a previous show, you were discussing the changes to the Chase Travel Insurance, and it sparked a thought in my mind.

Earlier this month, my wife and I were supposed to go to Iceland on economy cash tickets from Iceland air.

Unfortunately, my wife became ill. She's better now. And we had to cancel the vacation.

We got everything back but the cost of the tickets. Your discussion reminded me that I bought the tickets with my Chase Ritz-Carlton card.

I immediately filed the claim when I got home, and today I received notice that my claim was approved.

Thank you so much for all the work you do.

Well done.

You know, as soon as you said I bought my tickets with my Chase Ritz-Carlton card, there was like a round of applause that went off in my head,

like, whoa. Nice job. Well done. Because, yeah, I mean, you want to use a card like that,

that or the Sapphire Reserve maybe that has really good travel protections because that

trip cancellation insurance can really come in handy in a case like this. I'm glad that you heard

it on the show and thought to file the claim and even happier to

hear that it went through successfully because it's easy to talk about those benefits, but until you

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