Hey everybody, it's Joe Trippy, and welcome back to that Trippy show with my co-host, Alex Sashlo.

This week, Alex and I keep talking about where do we go from here, but it's not just about elections. You know, I've always

been trying to figure out where technology and social media are going from the Dean campaign all the way

up to now. And, you know, a while back, I read a book called The Hour of the Predator by the Italian

essay as Giuliano Denipoli.

But I, and it's a, I think, an important read, but then I started to ask, okay, well, what the hell are we going to do about this?

And then I recently saw an op-ed in the New York Times that really got me thinking.

It's called Big Tech's predatory platform model doesn't have to be our future.

It turns out, Tim Wu wrote it. He has an incredibly good new book out called The Age of Extraction,

and I knew we had to talk to him. Tim, welcome to the show. Great to be here. Thanks for having me on.

Alex, where do you want to get going? You know, quoting Italian literature in the intro, man,

you're really raising the bar for this episode immediately. I think, Tim, let's just go big.

Let's start with the big idea. Let's start with the age of extraction and self. You know, how did you get there? And I think, Tim, let's just go big. Let's start with the big idea. Let's start with the age of extraction itself.

You know, how did you get there?

And I know, Joe, in pre-show, you had a quote you wanted to tee that up with, too, didn't you?

Well, it was something.

I've been really kind of watching what Mark Andreessen and people like him

was saying out there.

And there was a quote, early pages of the book, of your book,

where he says, there is no material problem,

whether created by nature or by technology,

that cannot be solved by more technology.

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