Hello, relatives. Welcome back to another episode of All My Relations. I'm Matika Wilbur. I'm Stahobbj, from Swadab, from Tallalup, and I am so happy to be back here. It's been a while, and I love getting to talk story. I love moments like this. I love this podcast.

I'd squitial. I'd like all. Good afternoon relatives. I too am so happy to be back on air, so to speak,

with our newest guest with you today, Matika. I come from Lame Nation. So today, though,

we're diving into indigenous eco-erotics, an area where land, love, kinship, and sensuality intertwine.

We'll be talking about what it means to move beyond settler colonial ideals of monogamy, the nuclear family, and heteronormativity.

We'll explore what kinship can look like

through indigenous, queer, and multi-species lenses.

It's pretty fun.

Yeah, we've been waiting for this conversation.

We have been super excited about this.

This conversation started when we interviewed

the incredible Haley Maria Salazar, and she's a,

maybe you know her, yes.

Throughout that recording, we kept referencing the work of Melissa K. Nelson, so much so that it became obvious that we needed to bring her on to the show.

And as I read the stories that Dr. Nelson shares,

and then in Getting Dirty by Melissa K. Nelson.

And Melissa Nelson in her getting dirty paper says there's not enough room to talk about bestiality.

Melissa K. Nelson describes one of her earliest memories as eating dirt with joy.

Melissa Nelson, who's Anishinaabe, and by the way, her writing is just provocative and beautiful.

Right. She's an incredible writer.

Maybe she'll come on the show one day.

Yes. Melissa, come on the show.

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