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Witness History

Germany’s ‘Green Belt’

Witness History

BBC

History, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 11 April 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

In December 1989, Germany’s ‘Green Belt’ was born.

For more than 40 years, the country had been split by a 1,400km border and, in the decades the so-called ‘death zone’ had existed, life flourished everywhere.

In 1989, communism crumbled and, as soon as the borders opened, Kai Frobel knew he needed to act fast to stop farmers and developers. He called a meeting on 9 December, hoping a few people might come along.

Around 400 people from both sides of the border joined Kai to help create what would become known as Germany’s ‘Green Belt’, securing life in a place which had been associated with death for decades.

Professor Kai Frobel tells Laura Jones about growing up near the fortified GDR border and why it’s such a special place for rare species of birds and animals.

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(Photo: Kai Frobel on the former border between East and West Germany. Credit: BUND Kompetenzzentrum)

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1:06.4

We're going back more than 35 years to Germany Germany to find out how a border between the east

1:12.1

and west, known as the death zone, became a haven for plant and animal life.

1:18.4

It's 1989. Communism is crumbling, and so are the borders which have kept people apart

1:24.4

in Germany.

1:26.1

On the 9th of November came the most astounding news.

1:30.2

The East German government announced that its citizens were free to leave through any

1:34.2

checkpoint in the German border.

1:36.8

For more than 40 years, Germany has been split in two by a border stretching for 1,400

1:43.5

kilometres.

1:45.3

Now, freedom is in the air, and so are the hopes of environmentalist Kai Froebel,

1:50.4

because in the decades that the death zone has existed, life has flourished everywhere,

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