at Manchester United. Roy Keane was the big leader in that dressing room.

And obviously we all looked up to him.

We all know Roy, no, but when you are 17, I mean, it was kind of scary at some point.

No, I really, I remember a few years later when I was playing for Barcelona.

He came to me to talk and part of me was like that little kid when I arrived at Manchester when I was 17 like,

I'm a rookie studio.

So he's like, come on, Gerald.

You are already in 24.

Manchester's obviously influenced your dress.

You've got Liam Gallagher jacket on, you've got Stone Island pants. A little bit. What was the last conversation with Sir Alex and the Boss? I have this offer from Barcelona, which is the club of my life. I'm just asking you to let me go. Were you nervous going into that meeting? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was a tough one. It was a tough meeting. Wardoa Morigno was here in Spain. it was very tough. And Wardola left because at some point it was too much.

Would you ever go into coaching?

No, no chance.

I saw you and I learned from you.

No chance.

On this episode of The Overlap, I travelled to Barcelona to catch up with my former teammate

and one of the best defenders of his generation.

Gerard Pek has won 25 major trophies for club and country.

We talk about La Mascia, Manchester United and Barcelona, as well as his many business interests outside of the game.

Gerard, welcome to the overlap and we're back where it began at LeMessia.

So talk to us a little bit about how special this place is and what it means to young players from Barcelona.

I mean, it's very special. I've been part of La Masia for ten years before I joined Manchester United

and I eat there, I train every day and I didn't sleep but I had a lot of experience

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