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H.B.R. presents. Hi I'm Azimazar and you're listening to Exponential View. It's my weekly

podcast on the development of technology and its influence on our society. Now today I'm

in conversation with Geopolitical analyst Ian Bremer, the founder and president of Eurasia Group.

He is one of the world's leading thinkers on globalization and political risk.

Every year Ian publishes his top risks for the year ahead and this year at number two right behind the US presidential

election is a theme he calls a great decoupling.

The idea that China's stated aim is to become technologically independent to decouple from

the US.

It's a theme that I have written about extensively

and we've had a couple of podcasts

about this in the past.

So we're gonna dig into that topic

and much, much more, but firstly, Ian, welcome to exponential view it's really great to have

you here I'm happy to be with you sure well you are one of my my favorite analysts I

love reading your blog post I do you have a great social media game and you even

Have a video where you present yourself as a physical Muppet doll

Which I think is an interesting way to get these ideas across.

Because politics is driving people insane and anything you can do to get them to be a little

less crazy to engage with each other I think is a useful thing to do and we need

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