It's got the code it's going to launch.

It's a unit system.

I know this.

It's all the files of the whole park.

It tells her everything.

Sir, he's uploading the virus. Eagle Eagle One, the package is being delivered.

It's one of my favorite cyber topics in the books.

The cyber arms race and the increasing weaponization of the internet

and how that plays into the world of geopolitics.

Of course that means spies, hackers, dealers, and journalists alike. That's why today we

have New York Times cybersecurity reporter Nicole Purroth to talk about her new book. This is how they

tell me the world ends. I'm Ben Maku, and this is cyber, and it's still being recorded from my

apartment in New York.

So Nicole, thanks for coming on Cyber. You were on Cyber War a little while ago. That's

very many moons ago. I know. So many moons ago. What I remember the most from that is that we taped it and then

the van got broken into in San Francisco, which is more normal than not and all the film equipment

got stolen. And we had to do it again. Right. We got cased and our entire crew. All of our stuff was

stolen, including like laptops, everything.

It was crazy.

But that was in, because that was- Probably some hackers.

Probably some hackers.

That was in 2000.

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