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Thanks for joining us. Yeah, so it came to our attention with the indictment from the United States Justice Department really outlining what a P.T. 31 has been up to and just the

revelations really in detail about their specific operations, who and what they were targeting,

and how successful they were at that.

That's Adam More, Chief Information Security Officer at Arctic Wolf.

Today we're diving into geopolitical tension with China, including APT 31,

I Soon, and Tik-T-T-T-Tock. What can you share some of the details there?

I mean, what are the revelations that we had when it comes to this group?

Really I think it's useful to understand these indictments if we go back a little bit

and understand the past indictments that have come out about the Chinese Communist Party and the PRC conducting

cyber operations around the world.

It wasn't always that the United States Justice Department put out these very detailed indictments and name individuals and organizations for possible prosecution if they're able to get their hands on these people.

I think it was back in 2014 when one of the first of these happened where the US Justice

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