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Welcome back to part two of our conversation with Jeff Schakeford.

If you miss part one, be sure to check it out.

In this episode, we talk about Jeff, Gilhance, and Jim Wagner's design of Rustic Canyon,

municipal golf, the importance of super, drone photography, and much more.

So without further ado, here's Jeff Schackelford.

I'm Mr. Green, for example.

I'm already upset. When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm already upset when I find my ball in the bunker I'm really upset and when I find my ball in a fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg lie I'm about ready to run off the golf course. Oh, So am I going to change gears. I spent some time in LA recently and I used to live in

LA. Yes a lot of people knew that but it was a way earlier life and it's so funny I

Used to play play like all my weekend golf at at Russa Canyon which you were a co-designer of and is you know I was at a point in my life where I was probably the furthest out of my golf architecture

appreciation that I'd ever been but at the same time I knew that was the place I wanted to play golf after playing a few other places like I'm gonna play Rustic Canyon pretty much anytime I have you know a weekend free.

So I'd love to hear a little bit I have a weekend free.

So I'd love to hear a little bit about it.

I mean, going back, I was just blown away.

It's one of the best public golf courses

and golf experiences for that anybody can have anywhere and

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