Genocide Scholar: I Know It When I See It, with Omer Bartov

Factually! with Adam Conover

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4.4 • 2.2K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2025

⏱️ 102 minutes

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Summary

The Palestinian people are being killed en masse, they are being starved, and many are dying of preventable disease. More and more people are beginning to understand that it’s Israel’s intention to eliminate the entire Palestinian population of Gaza. Yet as untold thousands are dying, there are still people who insist that this is not “genocide” despite every bit of evidence to the contrary. This week, Adam speaks with Omer Bartov, a professor of holocaust and genocide studies at Brown University, about the genocide in Gaza, why so many people are reticent to label it as such, and how the world is looking at this moment.

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Transcript

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0:00.0	This is a headgum podcast.
0:05.0	I don't know the truth.
0:08.3	I don't know the way.
0:10.9	I don't know what to think.
0:13.6	I don't know what to say.
0:16.6	Yeah, but that's all right.
0:19.4	That's okay.
0:22.0	I don't know anything.
0:26.2	Hey there.
0:27.0	Welcome to factually.
0:28.1	I'm Adam Conover.
0:29.3	You know, the imagery coming out of Gaza for the past few years has been horrifying.
0:35.7	But over the last couple weeks, things have gotten a lot worse.
0:40.2	People and especially children there are starving, in many cases, dying due to a lack of food.
0:47.6	Just last week, the World Health Organization, along with three other UN organizations,
0:51.5	confirmed definitively that there is famine in Gaza due to levels of
0:55.9	extreme food deprivation, acute malnutrition, and starvation-related deaths, unquote.
1:01.5	Over half a million Palestinians are now in immediate and growing danger of death from starvation.
1:08.6	And we need to make super clear that this famine is not a natural
1:13.9	disaster. There has not been a dust bowl of the cornfields in Gaza or whatever. The starvation,
1:20.0	the famine, is a product of the state of Israel's direct actions. The state of Israel has cut
1:25.8	humanitarian access to Gaza. 98% of crop land there is
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