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Genocide and the Illusion of Western Civilization / Hamid Dabashi

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🗓️ 29 October 2025

⏱️ 102 minutes

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Hamid Dabashi returns to This Is Hell! to discuss his new book from Haymarket Books, "After Savagery: Gaza, Genocide, and the Illusion of Western Civilization." Jeff Dorchen edifies us with a new "Moment of Truth" after the interview. Check out Hamid's book here: https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/2607-after-savagery Help keep This Is Hell! completely listener supported and access bonus episodes by subscribing to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thisishell Please rate and review This Is Hell! wherever you get your podcasts. It really helps the show ascend the algorithm to reach new listeners.

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0:00.0

Biggernaz

0:01.9

The water

0:04.0

Big attack!

0:19.0

Big attack! Is it? This is Big Eiff! This is Hell.

0:44.0

Live from the United States, where the press has the freedom to be, propaganda.

0:50.3

This is hell, and that has been thoroughly exemplified in its coverage of what is happening to the people of Gaza.

0:59.5

Since the 20th century, we have had guests on our show who have given us insight, not heard anywhere else concerning the ongoing and international tolerance for the illegal Israeli invasion and occupation of

1:13.1

Palestinian lands. We've spoken with analysts, historians, journalists, activists, politicians,

1:20.0

self-admitted terrorists from Irgun, who fought for Israeli statehood in 1948 and then went on to

1:26.8

the peace movement, Gus Shalom.

1:29.9

We've also had discussions with veterans of the Israeli military who were involved in operations

1:35.3

in the occupied territories, only later to join the Anti-occupation Organization, breaking the silence,

1:42.9

as well as human rights activists in the Israeli organization,

1:45.7

Bishalam, and members of the Jewish diaspora. And they have offered a wide variety of reasons

1:52.2

for the seeming normalization of an ongoing slow, as our guest calls it, incremental genocide

1:58.4

of Palestinians that's taken place since, well, Israel began.

2:04.2

Sometimes the reason given has been oil. Other times, it's acting as a proxy for U.S.

2:11.3

interests in the region, or essentially being a U.S. military outpost. They've mentioned colonialism, settler colonialism, imperialism,

2:21.2

and the Cold War's anti-communism, a fear which persists to this day,

2:26.5

despite Joe McCarthy being outed as an idiot.

2:31.3

But what if the problem is us, the West, as in so-called Western civilization and

2:42.4

Western philosophy that led to colonial and imperial genocides around the world, including

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