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Genetics of Depression, Engineering Humans for Space, Tech Ethics. June 4, 2021, Part 2

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🗓️ 4 June 2021

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Research Reveals 178 Genes Are Associated With Depression If you have a family member that suffers from depression, chances are you may have more than one. Doctors often say “depression runs in families,” but scientists really had no good idea how—until a major analysis of the genomes of 200,000 military veterans uncovered the 178 genes that influence your risk of major depression.  Science Friday producer Katie Feather talked to Dr. Daniel Levey, assistant professor of psychiatry at Yale University School of Medicine. He explains why there are so many associated genes, and more about the massive database that helped scientists find them. Can Genetic Engineering Help Humans Live In Space? The next ambitious goal for space flight is to send a human to Mars. After decades of sending space probes and rovers, there are now actual plans for human voyages. Elon Musk says the deadline for Space X’s Mars Mission may be as early as 2024.    This raises big questions, both about how to survive the trip, and then inhabit a world hostile to humans. In his new book, The Next 500 Years: Engineering Life to Reach New Worlds, geneticist Christopher Mason says the biggest technical challenges could be met by genetically engineering humans to survive long-term space living.  He is joined by astronaut Scott Kelly, who spent one year in space, to talk about how we might genetically engineer ourselves, and the effects that space flight has on the body.  How Might Technology Shift Our Morality? What is right, and what is wrong? Today’s debates range from the ethics of eating meat, to abortion rights. Conversely, some questions are much less contentious than they once were: we no longer debate whether abducting and enslaving human beings is wrong—it is. And we no longer question technologies like in vitro fertilization.  Author Juan Enriquez says we can thank technological changes for modern shifts in ethical rights and wrongs, from energy technologies that reduce the value of manual labor to social media that boosts the visibility of LGBTQ people. Enriquez writes that technology changes over history have—and will continue to—change the nature of what we consider right and wrong. As he writes in Right/Wrong: How Technology Transforms Ethics, published in 2020, scientific advances in genetic engineering and neuroscience are bound to shift our ethical conversations even further. Think about CRISPR-edited genomes, or the potential privacy violations posed by being able to interpret brain activity. Climate change, and how to combat it, also raises important ethical questions. Enriquez talks to Ira about his work, and what he predicts our future ethical quandaries might look like.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Iroflato. If you have a family member who suffers from depression,

0:06.5

you may have more than one. Doctors often say depression runs in families. We've all heard that,

0:12.2

right? But scientists really had no good idea of how until recently. An analysis of the genomes of

0:19.5

200,000 military veterans uncovered the genes that

0:23.7

put one at risk. Science Fighter producer Katie Feather is here to chat more about it. Hey, Katie.

0:29.9

Hi, Ira. So scientists have found the gene that influences your risk of depression?

0:34.9

Not gene, Ira. Genes, 178 of them. Whoa, there's a lot of genes. Why so many?

0:41.8

Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to know. People often think about this one gene causing this

0:46.8

one disorder in someone, but that's not what's happening here. And Dr. Daniel Levy, who is an

0:52.6

assistant professor of psychiatry at Yale University School of Medicine and co-author on this study, answered that by explaining that, well, depression is really complicated.

1:03.1

Depression ends up being a pretty big basket. So we call it one thing. We say this is major depressive disorder, but probably people that have

1:12.1

this diagnosis get it for a wide variety of reasons. And it can come from biologically many

1:17.3

different genes could be linked to the increased risk. And different environmental exposures

1:21.6

and societal factors can also influence that. So it's because it's such a complex trait

1:26.7

that so many genes have the potential to influence your risk for it. And so it's because it's such a complex trait that so many genes have the potential

1:29.1

to influence your risk for it. And did you have an idea of which genes you wanted to look at

1:33.6

ahead of time? No, that's the beauty of this kind of study, because at this point, we really are early

1:39.2

on understanding this disorder. And through treatments, there's some effective ones, but we could really do a whole

1:45.1

lot better. And so the point is to look at the entire genome and we're trying to discover

1:49.8

new targets for a further study. When did we start to think that depression might be genetically

1:57.4

linked? So the research in this goes back a lot of years.

2:01.4

It wasn't until very recently the last couple of decades where the technology has

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