Welcome back to part two of Genesis 1 to 2, Moses 2 to 3, and Abraham 4 to 5 with Dr. Rebecca call.

John, Rebecca, I'd like to bring up something else and hear what you both think.

I spend a lot of time with young people, we all do.

I've noticed that when I say, hey, can we talk about pornography?

I want to discuss this with you. There's a

feeling of shame that comes into the room. You can almost feel it and sense it. This heavy weight

comes into the room. And I talk about, hey, look, you're a young person. You're alive. You're human.

Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this.

Let's talk about what you're seeing and what you can do to protect yourself.

That shame, I think, is partly, and I want to be careful here, but it's partly our fault.

I think we have bought into Satan's idea of hide. Hide, hide from God. I'd like to hear both

of you comment on that. How do we help our young people that this is so accessible to our youth?

How is adults do we not attach so much shame? Rebecca, what do you

think? I remember when I was in young women's being told, you need to have candid conversations

when you're dating and getting ready to be married. And if someone were to view pornography,

you probably shouldn't date or marry that person. I think that as a society,

culturally, as an LDS society, we have attached so much stigma, so much shame, almost as though

we think that if we shame the practice enough, we'll shame people out of doing it. That's not how it

works. It will only lead to people

hiding it more. And actually, it's the hiding that gives the dopamine rush. It leads, it's this

sort of addictive tendency that you can get if you're hiding in order to watch. It only exacerbates

the problem. I think what we need is more transparency and talking about it and talking about

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