Welcome to the show, retired detective Phil Grimaldi for the NYPD.

Phil, welcome.

Thank you, Billy. Thank you for having me.

You know, Phil, we've done extensive, extensive work on this case.

And there's been a lot of coverage. Of course, it's a high profile case because Mr. Hackman,

Gene Hackman, a twice Academy Award-winning actor,

and his wife, Betsy Arakawa.

And it presented itself enough so that the police felt that this was suspicious.

But yet as they take their time and break it down and look at the evidence,

it sort of presents itself perhaps in a different way.

And many people look, I listen, I watch, I read, and I watch the chat on our show.

And there's still many people that find this case highly, highly suspicious.

That the one big thing in Joseph Scott Morgan, who was a really respected death investigator,

he said the number one thing that bothered him the most

was that the front door was left open.

And I think that can be explainable.

But Phil, I'm interested to hearing your opinion

from a police perspective, your thoughts on this case.

Well, Billy, right off the bat, there's a couple of things that I think came to the surface

quickly and started a lot of the conspiracy theories and they kind of fueled them.

And it raised the level of suspicion in the public.

I think the law enforcement offices, the Santa Fe Police Department,

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