Mental health professionals who worked at the Tabestock who undertook these

assessments who referred some of those young people that they themselves fear

that they've been part of a major medical scandal. Some people say there was

pressure to refer quickly because it freed up their time as clinicians

because the waiting list was growing and once you referred a young person to

endocrinology you saw them less frequently so it freed up some clinical time.

We into I mean that's horrifying yeah anyway. Perhaps you get to the point

that you can't you can't change direction because what does that mean? What does

that mean for you as a human being to go oh my god I might have got this

wrong and I might have got it wrong for some of the most vulnerable young people

there are. How do we get from a handful to thousands? That's a 64 million dollar

question isn't it? If I'm an ordinary person watching this based on every time

we've gone down one of these cul-de-sacs we always end up with it was not

enough data they stopped collecting it I'm thinking cover-up.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Frances Foster. I'm Constantine Kissen and

this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our terrific guest today is an author and journalist's latest book called

Time to Think is about the demise of the Tamistok gender clinic here in the

UK Hannah Barnes. Welcome to Trigonometry. Thanks for having me. It was a pleasure.

We've been trying to make this happen for a while we had covered you had

covered didn't happen here you are finally before we get into your book and

it's a very important book. Who are you? How are you where you are? What has been

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