Gazans Return + DeepSeek Strikes
Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté
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🗓️ 31 January 2025
⏱️ 59 minutes
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This week we are joined by two guests, Palestinian poet Mosab Abu Toha and tech Professor Ramesh Srinivasan. First is Gazan poet Mosab Abu Toha, who recently won an Overseas Press Club Award for his “Letter from Gaza” columns for The New Yorker, and authored the new poetry book is Forest of Noise. He is also the founder of the Edward Said Library in Gaza, which was destroyed by Israel.
Over the course of Israel’s mass assault on Gaza, Mosab has lost 31 members of his family. He has expressed his catastrophic loss through poetry:
“All of Gaza has become a funeral home,” Mosab explains to us, “because the mourners themselves are killed. Who is going to mourn the death of someone when their father, their mother, their siblings were killed? And sometimes we do the funeral on the phone. We call someone and say, ‘I'm so sorry to hear about your loss.’ And then a few minutes later, that person, the caller or the recipient of this condolence, would be killed.”
Mosab also explains why he doesn’t consider this pause in Israel’s attacks on Gaza to be a ceasefire.
“The whole area is a pile of rubble, so where do you place your tent? People are deciding to go back. Going back for what and for how long? No one knows. This is why it's not a ceasefire.”
We also talk to Ramesh Srinivasan, professor of information studies at UCLA and author of Beyond the Valley: How Innovators around the World are Overcoming Inequality and Creating the Technologies of Tomorrow.
The big news out of the tech world this week is that Chinese AI company DeepSeek has surpassed the abilities of ChatGPT. In response, the Trump administration imposed new tariffs against China, a move that exposes a fear of falling behind.
We ask Ramesh: why does the US government see DeepSeek as a threat, and should regular Americans see this new AI as a potential for human progress or as a dangerous new advancement? His answer gives a clear explanation for why the US is losing the AI War so far.
Ramesh also explains the surprising effect AI usage has on depleting natural resources.
Subscribe for the full interview with Ramesh Srinivasan on how the government uses tech companies to spy on Americans through the Patriot Act, the lack of disclosure by Big Tech of anything that they’re doing behind the scenes, and what the oligarchs who sat front row at Trump’s inauguration are planning next to tighten their control.
Plus, catch this week’s Thursday Throwdown: Trump Exposes Hamas Condom Bombs
Thanks for supporting independent media. Subscribe for the full episode here:
00:00 Intro
01:05 Tulsi calls out Dems' support of Al Qaeda
12:32 Tom Cotton admits democracy doesn't matter
16:30 CNN fires Jim Acosta (and he tries to go Network)
20:25 GOP calls it a DEI plane crash
22:58 Mosab Abu Toha interview
23:32 Is the ceasefire real?
24:54 Poem: Gaza Has Become a Funeral Home
28:28 The Edward Said Library
31:26 His family in Gaza
34:21 How Palestinians see Trump
39:28 Ramesh Srinivasan interview
40:12 DeepSeek beats ChatGPT
42:01 Trump is afraid
44:23 Is Chinese AI more nefarious?
47:24 AI's impact on natural resources
52:11 DeepSeek's energy consumption
56:12 They're using the Patriot Act to watch us
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Useful Idiots. |
| 0:06.7 | I'm Katie Helper. |
| 0:07.8 | I'm Mary Mate. |
| 0:08.6 | Thanks so much for being here. |
| 0:10.1 | Our website is Useful Idiots Podcast.com. |
| 0:13.4 | And today we have a classic Useful Idiots double feature, break out the popcorn, not one |
| 0:18.6 | but two interviews on two vital topics. Of course, the moral issue of our time, Palestine, the popcorn, not one but two interviews on two vital topics. |
| 0:21.8 | Of course, the moral issue of our time, Palestine, the Gaza genocide, people returning to |
| 0:26.8 | what's left of their homes. |
| 0:28.1 | And we're going to hear from the Gazan-born poet who now lives in the U.S. |
| 0:31.9 | Masab Abu Toha. |
| 0:33.2 | And we're going to be talking about Deep Seek. |
| 0:35.7 | What is it? |
| 0:36.8 | Is it a threat to us? Should we be scared of this new |
| 0:39.6 | Chinese AI technology that has people freaking out? And we'll be talking about that and a lot of other |
| 0:47.1 | related issues when it comes to our tech overlords. Those great discussions. Spoiler alert. |
| 0:53.9 | And as always, please do support us at useful idiotspodcast.com because there you get bonus content, including extensive interviews and the fabulous Thursday throw down your midweek dose of media madness. |
| 1:05.0 | Let's start with the four basic food groups. What do we got for Democrats suck, Aaron? |
| 1:10.0 | For Democrats suck, we're going to turn to the confirmation hearing of Tulsi Gabbard, who was a former |
| 1:15.7 | Democrat but left the party after she was smeared for calling out the corruption of the DNC |
| 1:22.4 | and Reagan the primary in 2016 against Bernie Sanders. She was also smeared for some of her views on |
| 1:27.4 | foreign policy |
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