Gaza Changed Urban Warfare | Interview: John Spencer

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🗓️ 1 April 2024

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Jamie is joined by John Spencer, an author, former colonel in the California State Guard, and urban warfare expert with 25 years of experience in the Army, to examine Israel’s tactics in Gaza and weigh in on allegations the IDF is committing genocide and/or war crimes. The Agenda: —Joe Rogan accuses Israel of genocide —John’s experience in Gaza —War is not quantitative —How to determine proportionality —"High threshold of civilian death" —We are at war with ignorance —H.R. McMaster’s “zero-dark-thirty fallacy” —Reception of his expertise in Ukraine vs. Gaza Show Notes: —John: Israel Has Created a New Standard for Urban Warfare. Why Will No One Admit It? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Dispatch Podcast. I'm Jamie Weinstein. My guest today is John Spencer.
0:06.8	He is the chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point,
0:12.3	co-director of the Urban Warfare Project,
0:15.1	host of the Urban Warfare Project Podcast, founding member of the
0:19.8	International Working Group on Sub-Tyranian Warfare,
0:23.8	author of several books, including Understanding Urban Warfare.
0:28.1	He also spent 25 years in the Army
0:30.7	before joining the California National Guard as a Colonel, or at least
0:36.4	rising to the rank as a Colonel there. And as you imagine, given his background,
0:41.1	we talk extensively about the war in Gaza, what is truth and what is false
0:47.3	about accusations of Israel doing harsh tactics in Gaza, too many civilians getting expert wisdom and
0:56.4	insight into what is actually going on there. I think you will find this
1:00.6	podcast informative and interesting just like I did.
1:04.6	Without further do, I give you Mr. John Spencer,
1:23.7	Spencer, welcome to the dispatch podcast.
1:25.1	In our correspondence, I was very happy to hear
1:28.1	when you first responded, or at least your most recently responded,
1:31.5	yesterday saying that you don't talk politics,
1:33.7	so you don't know if you're right for the show.
1:35.7	That's exactly right for this episode, definitely.
1:39.4	There will be no politics in this episode because we were looking for your expertise and as the
1:45.3	listeners have heard in my intro you have extensive expertise in urban warfare
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