Gavin Wilde and Justin Sherman on Russia’s Information War and Regime Security
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🗓️ 27 January 2023
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
Russia’s use of information warfare during the 2016 U.S. presidential election period focused attention on Russia’s weaponization of information in its effort to influence a U.S. election outcome and sow discord across the American public. But to the extent that we only view Russian information warfare as an aggressive or expansionist expression of Moscow’s foreign policy, we may misunderstand some key tenets of Russian information warfare doctrine.
To gain a better understanding of the history and dynamics of Russian information warfare, Lawfare senior editor Stephanie Pell sat down with Gavin Wilde, senior fellow in the Technology and International Affairs Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and Justin Sherman, nonresident fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Cyber Statecraft Initiative. They discussed their new paper, "No Water’s Edge: Russia’s Information War and Regime Security,” and they talked about Russian information doctrine under Vladimir Putin, the differences between how the concept of information security is understood in Russia versus the West, and some key takeaways of their research for analysts and policymakers.
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| 0:29.0 | Even in occupied Donbass or in Russia proper, |
| 0:39.0 | where the control over the information space is almost absolute, |
| 0:43.0 | that doesn't necessarily equate to kind of broad scale adoption of the predominant narratives among the public. |
| 0:53.0 | I'm Stephanie Pell, senior editor at LawFair. |
| 0:56.0 | And this is the LawFair podcast January 27, 2023. |
| 1:01.0 | Russia's use of information warfare during the 2016 US presidential election period |
| 1:08.0 | focused attention on Russia's weaponization of information |
| 1:12.0 | in its effort to influence a US election outcome |
| 1:16.0 | and so discord across the American public. |
| 1:19.0 | But to the extent that we only view Russian information warfare |
| 1:23.0 | as an aggressive or expansionist expression of Moscow's foreign policy, |
| 1:28.0 | we may misunderstand some key tenants of Russian information warfare doctrine. |
| 1:34.0 | To gain a better understanding of the history and dynamics of Russian information warfare, |
| 1:40.0 | I sat down with Gavin Wilde, senior fellow in the technology and international affairs program |
| 1:47.0 | at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, |
| 1:50.0 | and Justin Sherman, non-resident fellow at the Atlantic Council's Cyber-Statecraft Initiative. |
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