John's like, brynching right now.

My husband's our editor. And we're going to have to bleep out every time we say that. Oh, too. Oh, no. Sorry. I'll stop swearing. I swear so much. Okay, I will be better. Sorry, John. John, you're so great. Thank you. So sorry. He's going to love it. I am so great. Everybody loves me. I am so great.

Welcome to Book Talk, Et cetera, a podcast bound to grow your TBR.

I'm Tina from TBR, et cetera.

And I'm Hannah from Handpick Books. This is a conversational podcast about books and more from two Midwest, new readers. We're easily distracted by new releases. And today, we are so excited to be joined by Tracy Thomas from the Stacks. If you enjoy listening, we'd love for you to follow us on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. And if you have a quick minute, please consider leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts or sharing us on social media. It truly helps us connect with other book lovers.

Well, hey, welcome to Book Talk, Et cetera. Tracy. We're so excited to have you. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled to be here. I'm so excited.

Hey, and it's so great. So we typically don't have guests, but your publicist had sent us this wonderful email about all of these different

topics. We were like, yes, absolutely. And primarily we talk a lot about fiction, but I know our

listeners, when we do share a nonfiction, are like, yeah, keep doing it, do more.

So I'm excited to give them a lot of different recommendations today. You brought in the nonfiction ringer. That's me. Yep. I know. You're probably very popular in November, well, always, but specifically in November with people focusing on nonfiction November. I don't really do nonfiction November. I did one thing on my substack this year, but I'm going to be giving nonfiction recommendations all year. And so I sort of forget that November is a time for

nonfiction. And I personally read a lot of fiction in November because it gets to the end of the year.

I sort of already am done with my show and booking. So I'm like, what are things that I didn't really get to because they weren't urgent? And usually for me, that's like leftover

fiction. So so far this month, I think I've only read fiction. Wow. You're like doing the

opposite. But that's good because I'm sure people come to you for nonfiction and recommendation.

So it makes sense. I'm quite sure we have a fair

amount of overlap between our audiences, but just in case, Tracy, is the creator and host of the

critically acclaimed literary podcast, The Stacks. She's a passionate champion of books and a deeply

curious interviewer. She is a monthly contributor on NPR's Here and Now, a columnist for she reads.com,

and the creator of the LAist Live Literary Series 1 for the book. She also moderates literary

events, book festivals, and author talks nationwide. So, I mean, you've got so much going on,

right? She sounds great. Who is this girl? I know. I was grabbing it from your website. I will say, tell me when your podcast started.

2018. Okay. I feel like your show was one of the very first I ever listened to, one of the very first book podcasts I ever listened to you. I have this vague

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