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Gaslighting for God with Becky Garrison

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Religion & Spirituality

4.8566 Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2026

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein interviews Becky Garrison, author of "Gaslighting for God," about spiritual narcissism, charismatic leaders, and how abuse is hidden behind a persona with little accountability. Garrison describes her background in religious satire, family alcoholism, and how research into trauma and somatic therapies helped her recognize narcissistic patterns without becoming triggered. They distinguish lying from gaslighting as deliberately altering someone’s perception of reality and discuss DARVO and institutional cover-ups, including examples involving clergy, money, and celebrity wellness figures. Garrison emphasizes prevention through education, following the money, testing groups with “gentle no” boundaries, watching for coercive demands (time, money, access), avoiding parasocial attachments, and finding support communities after leaving toxic leaders or groups.


Becky's Links

Substack: https://beckygarrison.substack.com/

Book: https://www.beckygarrison.com/works.htm

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/becky_garrison?igsh=MWtlcHZ6ZnBvd2t2OA==

Website: https://www.beckygarrison.com/


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0:00.0

You are not alone. And now there are two resources that I've put together specifically for your journey.

0:16.0

This is your host, Rachel Bernstein. I am an educator and a therapist and a cult specialist, and I am very excited to announce

0:27.2

restart and restore a journal for survivors of manipulation and a companion notebook that I've put together to go with it,

0:39.3

that has people's stories that they've shared with me,

0:44.4

that they wanted to share with you,

0:46.4

and some wonderful quotes from people whose thoughts I truly admire,

0:52.2

and more pages and writing prompts for you to continue with the writing

0:59.0

that can help you along your healing journey.

1:03.5

This isn't just another blank journal.

1:07.1

It's a trauma-informed recovery companion, and it offers psychoeducation on the mechanics of manipulation and control and therapeutic writing prompts to explore your history and your strengths, practical exercises that transform insights into some actionable steps, and the freedom to heal at your own pace.

1:31.8

You can do it in the time frame that works for you without any judgment or pressure.

1:39.7

Whether you joined the organization or the relationship that was controlling as a teen or as an adult,

1:46.7

restart and restore provides the structure and I think validation needed to process your

1:53.5

experiences safely. I'm also excited to share beyond the journal and its companion notebook

2:00.5

that I'm currently working on a second journal

2:03.3

specifically for those born and raised in high control groups or high control family units,

2:09.6

as their healing journey often involves different and specialized challenges. Restart and Restore and its companion notebook are available now,

2:20.7

and you can find the link in the show notes.

2:23.9

Thank you very much.

2:25.4

I hope it's helpful to you or to someone you love. Welcome to Indoconation, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

2:55.3

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

2:57.7

Hello, everyone. Today on the show, we have a unique and entertaining guest, Becky Garrison.

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