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The Trawl

Gary Scores, Kirk's Killing & Tommy's Rage March

The Trawl

Jemma Forte & Marina Purkiss

News, Politics, Government

4.7867 Ratings

🗓️ 17 September 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Gary Lineker boots Ant and Dec off their 23-year throne to win Presenter of the Year at the NTAs – and in doing so, delivers a perfectly tailored two fingers to the BBC. We bask in his glory before plunging into darker waters: the shocking murder of Charlie Kirk in Utah, the grotesque opportunism that followed, and the rank hypocrisy of those who once worshipped at the altar of “free speech.”


Then to London, where Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk headline the biggest far-right rally in years – complete with MAGA hats, flag-burning and chants of “send them home.” We pick through the bile, the lies about numbers, and what this march tells us about the hollowing out of our national life. Jemma and Marina discuss at length what follows a very bleak week of news and find it cathartic. They hope you do too. 


Plus: Trump shows his usual lack of empathy, a US pastor nails the Kirk debate in a way few others could, and Sonny Green delivers our pudding with This Is England.


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0:00.0

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0:10.2

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0:23.6

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0:30.6

I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second

0:39.5

Amendment.

0:49.9

Hello and welcome to The Trawl, the podcast that asked, What Fresh Hell did the internet serve up this week?

0:56.7

I'm Gemma Forte.

0:57.8

And I'm Marina Perkis.

0:59.3

And we're not actually going to go straight to the hellish bits today.

1:02.7

No.

1:03.3

We're going to kick off today's episode with a wonderful clip.

1:06.8

So get your cockles out because they're about to be warmed.

1:09.7

It's only our Gary.

1:11.6

And he only went and won presenter of the year at the National Television Awards.

1:16.0

Gary Linnaker!

1:19.2

It's not lost on me why I might have won this award.

1:23.4

Aside from presenting match of the day, the most iconic football show on television for 26 years,

1:31.3

I think it demonstrates that perhaps it's okay sometimes for us to use our platform to use our platform to speak up on behalf of those who have no voice.

1:54.0

So thank you.

1:55.1

It means the world.

1:56.2

Thank you very much.

1:57.8

Yes, Gary.

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