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And listener, you'll be surprised to know that I'm very excited and delighted to be joined by Oxford

United's manager Gary Rowett on this special episode. Gary, how are we?

I'm all good, George. Yeah, I'm up for a slightly more relaxing few days after the last

three or four weeks or three or four months.

But yeah, please we managed to get it over the line.

And yeah, we still want to win the last game.

But I think ultimately we've earned the right to be a little bit more relaxed.

Yeah, absolutely.

Safety secured on the penultimate match of the season, beating Sunderland 2-0

at home. But Gary, for you, I think normally we expect the, you know, we expect players

and staff and everyone to have a bit of a celebration off the back of achieving what was

set out to be done, but none of that for you, was there?

No. It wasn't quite a usual celebration for me.

It was, yeah, straight off.

I don't even notice,

but whenever else was going on to the pitch

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