Welcome back to the four-season show by Ball is Life. I am Ryan Mogg, Josh. That's Zach Noble.

Joining us over the phone today, Hall of Famer, nine-time All-Star, nine-time all-NBA, nine-time all-N-B-A, nine-time-all defense. Basically, you do everything nine times.

NBA champion, the glove, Gary Payton. Gary, what's up,

brother? Thanks for joining us. How are you guys doing? Doing fantastic now. A lot better now.

Looking back on your career, I think that you played during the perfect era to kind of fit

your strengths, which was competitiveness, toughness, defense,

hand-checking, playing physical.

Do you ever think about that and how the era fit your strengths?

And maybe do you ever think about how things would change if you played today?

Well, I don't really think about that because I ain't planning in the day's era.

That is true.

So my era was the greatest era ever to me because Magic Johnson and them started in the 80s with Larry Bird and them and then me and Michael Jordan, a lot of us guys who came in, Shaquille O'Neal's, the crew dreams. We created the 90s. So in my day,

we can hand check, and it was more physical. It was more of a competitive game to me as being

more tougher and physical. Nowadays, this is their era. They like the finesse. They like to slam dunks, the more athletic. The three-point shot is their weapon now. Our weapon was a big man. So it's a lot different. We can't say what we would have did in their error, and they can't say what they would have did in ours, because I think we're all going to be biased to our eras and say that we're going to

kill them and they say they had to kill us but we don't know but everybody got to always

understand we all was 21 at one time I love that some of the realest stuff I've heard

appreciate that so let's start what I mean what gave you the nickname the glove I know it's your defense but is there a certain person What gave you the nickname the glove?

I know it's your defense, but is there a certain person that gave you that nickname?

Yeah, my cousin, Glendale King.

93-94 Western Conference Finals against Kevin Johnson.

We were in the West Conference Finals, and Kevin was the Premier Guard during that time.

Remember, he was the All-League and all that stuff, and he was actually 27, about 27 during the year.

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