From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

Gary Oldman is mesmerizing every minute that he's on screen

as the very disheveled leader of a lesser MI5 spy unit

in the Apple TV Plus series Slow Horses.

And he still pops up in other projects,

including a one-day gig as President Harry Truman in Chris

Nolan's Oppenheimer. I'd spent almost seven years with Chris over three Batman's, and then

he went quiet for a long time, and then he called me, and I thought, I think I was maybe just

flat a day him remember me.

Oldman talks to Eric Deggans about why playing Jackson Lamb and slow horses appealed to him

and how he made a major career change after years of being typecast as what he calls a rent-a-villain.

He also explains that idiots are the only things standing in the way of him returning to writing and directing.

But first we banter. Stick around. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my partner in banter, Matt Bellany. Hello, Matt.

Hi there. So, Disney, we already had a set of dissident shareholders, Nelson Peltz, a longtime corporate

raider, dissident shareholder.

He buys interests in companies, buys a chunk of stock, and then he tells these companies

what they're doing wrong.

I mean, companies like Procter & Gamble or Snapple, but some while ago, he jumped in complaining that Disney needed his help.

And Disney has been challenged, like all the legacy media companies.

And so there was an argument to be made, but whether it was an argument that should be made by Nelson Peltz is a good question.

He doesn't have any particular experience in entertainment.

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