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The Owen Jones Podcast

Gary Lineker Smeared Over My Gaza Interview

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

News, Government, News & Politics, Politics

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2023

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

When Gary Lineker suggested an interview with an Israeli-American scholar in genocide and Holocaust studies was worth watching, the British media combusted. But there's a crucial lesson here - about the attempt to silence those speaking out about one of the great horrors of our time.



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0:00.0

So, I got the nation's best-loved Christmas-ing sports official, Gary Linnaker, in trouble,

0:06.0

not potentially, I should add, with our lovely mild-mannered friends in the British media.

0:11.9

I think this whole episode really is revealing of a lot of things.

0:14.7

Now, this week, I published an article with Rassie Gal, who was an Israeli-American associate professor of Holocaust and Genocide studies.

0:22.4

That's quite an important detail, I think, in this whole story.

0:24.9

Nobody could reasonably conclude that Rassie Gal doesn't know what he is talking about.

0:29.6

Now, I did a 40-minute interview with him, very thorough, and he argues in that interview that the Israeli onslaught against Gaza is a textbook case of genocide.

0:39.4

His argument is scholarly, it's grounded in huge amounts of research, legal knowledge, historical knowledge, and, of course, knowledge of what's currently happening at the moment.

0:47.0

Now, whether or not you agree or disagree with him, I'll come on to that.

0:49.6

Everybody should surely, I think, agree, we have kind of consensus that his argument deserves respectful engagement.

0:56.4

And the least you can do, if you've got a dissenting view, is to engage with the substance.

1:00.7

Now, I posted a 13-minute clip of this interview on Twitter, which has gone hugely viral.

1:06.6

Millions of people have seen it on that medium alone.

1:09.5

Now, Gary Linnaker helped in that process, because he quite rightly quoted it with worth 13 minutes of anyone's time.

1:17.4

And then, all hell broke loose.

1:19.7

Let's hear a clip from the supposedly offensive interview, which is actually, as I've said,

1:25.3

a scholarly grounded interview with Rassie Gal.

1:28.4

And if you haven't watched the whole interview, please do watch it for yourself.

1:31.6

Now, the case of Israel's attack on Gaza is actually very unique.

1:39.4

It's actually exceptional, I think, in a number of ways, but it's unique in the sense of discussing it as what I think it is that is genocide,

1:48.8

because the intent is so clearly articulated, right?

1:53.2

And it's articulated.

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