So few public figures have spoken out against Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people,

and that includes here in Britain, despite the British government's complicity in arming and

facilitating that genocide. One exception is Gary Lineker, long-time footballer and beloved sports

presenter and a household name for many decades, and he's been vilified for it, not least

for sharing my own content on the genocide.

I'll come on to that.

First of all, let's hear him being interviewed by Amal Vajan,

who I should say used to be my boss when I was at The Independent.

That was the newspaper, The Independent.

Let's have a listen.

You could be partial.

I know where I stand on this. I'm sorry, it's more important than what the BBC, what's going on there is, you know,

the mass murder of thousands of children is probably something that we should have a little opinion on.

The BBC as a whole needs to be impartial about it.

Why?

It needs to be factual.

It needs to be impartial about a conflict, doesn't it?

And it's hard.

Does it have to be, it wasn't impartial about Ukraine and Russia.

And you might say that the...

Why does it have to be impartial about...

I understand if it's partial about our government and things in this country and everything

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