One of the things I've examined is, how do you know who's at expert?

And I'd identified about seven or eight criteria.

One of the criteria I use from when I engage somebody's expertise is I'll ask them,

tell me the last mistake you made. Let's talk about that.

After the person says, I can't think of any mistakes. To me, that means,

this person may be competent, but a surgery is not an expert. Experts are well aware of their mistakes

and their mistakes eat at them. But people who are journey men, many of them stays journey

bit because they want to move on and forget about their mistakes.

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Today, I'm speaking with Gary Klein. Gary is a research psychologist famous for pioneering the

field of naturalistic decision making. I've wanted to geek out with Gary on decision making

for years and this conversation did not disappoint. We talk about why some people stagnate at an

intermediate skill level and some people reach mastery, cognitive flexibility theory,

the role of stories, both the ones we tell ourselves and the ones we tell others.

The two ways to make better decisions, gaming better insights and reducing errors and how we can

improve at both of them, premortems, shadow boxing and how it helps you learn. Fixation errors,

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