Okay, Bill, the next two-five cast is going to be a lot of fun.

We're going to do a two-part series on Gary Habermass and Bart Irman.

Gary was on Cameron Bertuzzi's podcast, capturing Christianity, talking about evidence for

the resurrection, gives five lines of evidence.

Palo Gia, who described himself as a former Christian, had Bart Irman on his podcast to respond

to Gary, especially since Gary quoted Bart Irman so frequently in this interview with Cameron.

And Bill, we're going to get you to do an overview of the whole thing.

So let's go to Palo Gia, who interviews Bart and also plays portions of the clips from

Gary.

Here's the first clip.

So Gary says he has five lines of resurrection evidence that he dates to 36 AD or six years

after the death of Jesus.

The first stage is they preached it.

The homologue, what they preached is number one.

And the message is always the same, deity, death, resurrection because homologue means

earliest thing we share to believe among us.

The earliest Christian preaching, according to skeptics, like Bart Irman and many others,

preaching of Christianity started immediately.

I do think that that's true, but I probably mean it in a different way than Gary is using

it.

My hunch is that he thinks that that means that the third day on the Sunday, after Jesus

was killed, people started proclaiming the gospel of Christ, death, and resurrection.

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