Okay, okay, okay. And we are back. We're back. We're back with John Garvey. John, hello.

Hello, Sean. Good to be with you. Good to be with you again. Last time we recorded together, it was sort of the introductory episode for what's to be a mini-series. I'm going to go ahead and call this like episode one of Garveyism.

And I have a great song to put in for the theme song.

I'll talk to Andy about it, but are you familiar with the song Marcus Garvey by the slackers?

I think it is.

No.

Oh, it's a very good song.

And I think it's be a good intro.

It's, um, Andy was the one that came up with the idea of playing with Garvey, Garveyism,

you know, as like a title for this stuff. So do you have any opinions on Marcus Garvey?

It's interesting.

Not, you know, I haven't thought about it a lot in a long time,

but there was a moment when perhaps I was most sympathetic

to the significance of black nationalism

or proto-nationalism in U.S. history.

And one of the odd things I remember is at one point, apparently Lenin and nationalism or proto-nationalism in U.S. history.

And one of the odd things I remember is at one point, apparently Lenin and the other folks in what became the common turn, they wanted to extend an invitation to Garvey to join.

Garvey.

Yeah.

Wow. Interesting.

And I think that, I mean, there's probably some downsides to that because that then, there was a signal that the then Soviet Union was embracing a somewhat unprincipled position vis-à-vis nationalism that had really bad consequences in a lot of different places and that to some extent endured that

you know if you think about all of the terrible ends of national liberation struggles in the

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