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Hello and welcome to another bonus episode of the new abnormal. We thank you so much for being here

Today we have an extra special bonus episode with Gary Kasperov who's of course a former chess grandmaster and world chess champion

Who's then turned to be one of the leading voices against Vladimir Putin in Russia and he's can explain to us what he thinks is going on over there with the Ukraine and Russia situation

Welcome to the new abnormal Gary Kasperov. Thank you for having me. Thank you for joining us

I just want to know how you grew up in the former Soviet Union. When did you get radicalized?

I'm not sure I like the world world around the class because it's probably more of getting normal

It's it's my my journey from

abnormal to normal

Soviet Union was a communist dictatorship and I grew up as a kid who was surrounded by this propaganda from very early days

Soviet Union, it's peaceful country great-lion communism

Decadent West, you know, it's all sorts of stuff, you know aggressive America CIA Mossad M5 whatever

So it's great and it took a bit of time for me to actually see it through but

Naturally my home education helped my father died when I was very bad. I would say young. I was seven and my

grandfather

My mother's father he was a communist and that's definitely had an own thing in impact on one side

But my father's younger brother along to this Jewish intellectual circles in Baku in the city of Baku where I was born raised

It's a always says deep south right next to Georgia

So which is because Republic was the original was next to Republic of Georgia in the deep south of the USSR

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