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Anywhere you find podcasts or go to alien theorists. Hey everybody it's Joe Trippy and welcome

my friend Garrett Graf to the show journalist, historian,

currently the director of the Aspen Institute's cybersecurity initiatives.

His new book and I highly recommend it, Watergate, a new history is out now.

Garrett, welcome.

Joe, it's great to be here. So Garrett, two things. First of all, we're having some construction work done in there or some kind of pounding work anyway going on in my house.

So for all you listeners you're probably going to hear some of that.

But the one thing I wanted to make sure that I talked about was us having a positive experience.

For those of you who don't know, look I consider Garrett Graft, like an amazing writer,

a book after book and the stories that he's written have just been absolutely amazing and I can't say enough about

You picking up his his book on Watergate. There's that, and we'll put them in our show notes.

But back in the day in 2003 in the Dean campaign,

he was writing press releases for me and it wasn't the greatest experience in the world because my failure to recognize his visionary writing skills usually resulted in me,

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